MSoM #004 | Aarron Spinley on explaining experience

Mar 07, 2021

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In this episode of MSoM I had an indepth conversation with Aarron Spinley on one of his recent articles discussing how the digital industry defines the concept of "experience" which was in the top three clicked of TMW #026.

Aarron is a leading growth futurist, doing important work in experience anthropology, customer experience and economics. Aarron has worked at SAP, and most recently works as the SVP of Thunderhead APAC, a cloud based customer engagement platform which was named as a leader in journey orchestration platforms by Forrester in 2020. Aarron lives and breathes understanding the experiences of customers and is currently working on a series called “I beg to differ” a series of articles for marketers, leaders and thinkers.

We talk about how ill defined concepts like customer experience can be a shortcut for confusing an entire industry, the way other industries approach standardising the definitions of important concepts, how the word "experience" has become so central to how marketers and digital professionals explain their work, the difference between the service and experience layers in digital strategy, the importance of our emotional state and experiences with a brand and transitioning some of the language in the industry from experience to engagement.

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📚 Resources

Welcome to: “I Beg to Differ”

Experience. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

TMW #026 | Google’s last stand in Australia, the Clubhouse revolution, and the confusion of marketing clouds.

Know Your Customers’ “Jobs to Be Done”

Thunderhead website

You can find Aarron Spinley on LinkedIn, Twitter and his site.


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Juan Mendoza

Marketing technology strategist at The Lumery, I analyse marketing, data, and technology trends for some of the most well-known Australian and global brands.

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