MSoM #009 | Nobody cares about your framework

Jul 4, 2021

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In this episode of Making Sense of Martech, I’m joined by Ben Mosior, who goes by the moniker of “hired thought." Ben is a writer, podcaster, and strategy consultant who is focused on the principles behind Wardley Mapping, a novel way to work out how to connect your strategies to your customers and their needs.

Ben has been featured numerous times in The Martech Weekly Newsletters, including Ben’s article - Nobody Cares About Your Precious Framework. We talk about the dysfunctions of product and digital teams in enterprise organizations, how Wardley Mapping works, and creating situational awareness to help teams understand their customers and the competitive landscape better. We also talk about the complex nature of language in emerging industries such as technology, the various stages of company evolution within commercial systems, and connecting purpose to work across organizational structures.

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📚 Resources

Nobody Cares About Your Precious Framework

Learn Wardley Mapping

The Consultant Out of Time

DevOps Progressions: Teaching Old DevOps New Tricks - Andrew Shafer, Pivotal

A Wardley Mapping Exercise: Mapping St. Patrick's Day - A Thread

An Introduction to the Jevons Paradox

Good Strategy Bad Strategy: The Difference and Why It Matters


You can find Ben on Linkedin and Twitter  

Juan Mendoza

Marketing technology strategist at The Lumery, I analyse marketing, data, and technology trends for some of the most well-known Australian and global brands.

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